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Sunday, August 14, 2011

More on Judicial Pay Raises

2 on Judicial Pay Panel Press for Big Raises
The New York Times by William Glaberson  -  August 8, 2011  

Two members of the commission reviewing judicial pay in New York State pressed for substantial raises at a public session on Monday, but the seven-member panel has not yet made a decision.  The commission is being carefully watched in a time of budget austerity, because it was clearly formed to raise judicial salaries while trying to minimize political fallout from what could be an unpopular decision. Its members, appointed by leaders of all three branches of state government, are expected to make their decision later this month.  The presentations by the two members, Robert B. Fiske Jr. and Mark S. Mulholland, appeared to be the opening of negotiations that will unfold in the coming weeks. Both had earlier made it clear that they favored a raise for the more than 1,200 state judges, who have not had a pay increase since 1999.  “It’s just a question of basic fairness,” said Mr. Fiske, a lawyer who was once the United States attorney in Manhattan.  Mr. Fiske proposed that pay for justices on the state’s highest-level trial court, the State Supreme Court, be increased to $195,754 from $136,700. Mr. Mulholland suggested that the salary be increased to $220,000.  Some pay-increase proposals have suggested that the salary of State Supreme Court justices increase to at least $174,000, the salary of federal district judges. But the commission has also heard from critics who have argued that no increase is warranted.  Most other members of the commission gave few clues about their positions during the brief meeting, which was held in a hearing room in Lower Manhattan. The three members appointed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo have not indicated whether they were influenced by the state budget director, Robert L. Megna, who told them at a hearing last month that the commission should exercise caution in granting judicial raises because of the state’s fragile finances.  If the governor’s three appointees work to limit judicial raises, they are likely to meet opposition from three others: Mr. Mulholland, who was appointed by the Senate Republican leader, Dean G. Skelos, and who has been the most vocal member calling for a significant judicial pay increase; and the two appointees by the state’s chief judge, Jonathan Lippman: Mr. Fiske and Kathryn S. Wylde, the president of the Partnership for New York City, a network of business leaders.  That would leave the commission’s seventh member, James Tallon Jr., a former member of the Assembly who was Democratic majority leader, with a pivotal vote. Mr. Tallon, appointed by the Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, a Democrat, has not hinted at his views.  In an interview after the meeting, Mr. Tallon declined to discuss his position. “I don’t intend to get into a public bidding on this one,” he said, adding that Mr. Silver had given him no instructions.  A raise for the state’s judges would increase the pay of trial and appeals judges and the members of the state’s top court, the Court of Appeals.  During the meeting, Mr. Cuomo’s appointees, including the chairman, William C. Thompson Jr., a former New York City comptroller, did not react to the proposals for a big judicial pay increase. One of the governor’s appointees, Richard B. Cotton, suggested in passing that he may be skeptical of testimony from the state budget director implying that it would be inappropriate to pay judges more than some high-level state employees. “We’re dealing with a co-equal branch” of government, Mr. Cotton said.  Daniel Turbow, a Family Court judge in Brooklyn who is president of the city Family Court Judges’ Association, said after attending the meeting that he had been pleased by the remarks of some of the members. “I have to think it’s encouraging,” Judge Turbow said.


An accountant said...

Give them all raises, but make sure to hold the ones that are corrupt accountable ..... very accountable!!

the baker said...

Let them eat cake

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous.

No one is making them run for the job of judge.

If they don't like the pay, then quit.

This is supposed to be the US and free market. If they don't like the pay for a particular job, then don't take the job.

I sure the employees at McDonald's don't like their salaries either, but they have to make the choice of doing the job at the pay that's offered, or moving on.

Why are these elected judges any different?

Anonymous said...

give them buttons that's all they get!

Anonymous said...

that is a joke, from the hearing they had decided to give them pay raises. That is why they were appointed to the panel.
When the state accountant thinks it is a bad idea a few of the panel tried to take him appart. They were not succesfull.
He had charts and graphs of how t would hurt state economy . He even said because of downturn in economy they are not likely to have an increase in money. His prediction of the state having difficulty paying for the increase

taxpayer said...

This subject in certainly not in line with todays econimic reality! Get real, you work for us!

Anonymous said...


You're mistaken.

They work only for themselves.

Anonymous said...

Then why not fire them ALL and let them go and really work for themselves. That's right I said ALL because if any of the Judges were really honest and upstanding they would stand up and speak up about the corruption. All I hear is silence. Is anyone else hearing anything but silence?

Anonymous said...

Judges cannot be fired

They are elected officials.

The citizens of NY and the US need to realize that they are the ones who have the power to make change.

It doesn't matter how much money or connections a politician has, that cannot get them elected. Every politician needs the votes of the citizens and there are not enough of their greedy crooked friends that can provide them with enough votes that can do that.

What people don't realize, is that they have the power to get these people to do what they should do to and work work for the people that elected them.

Anyone who doesn't like what a business does, can take action by not buying from them.

People should just start voting with their dollars and their votes is they don't like what's going on.


This is why Jails were made - Jail all the Judges and then all the lawyers since they all want to be Judges - end of problem

Anonymous said...

It would be nice to believe that judges in this NY State are elected and for short terms so they have accountability by the diligent voters...but that is not how are judges are generally picked or how they remain forever.....some exisitng as slugs and slobs.
Somes judges get elected first..not many, as many, many are just appointed, given promotions through the ACTING TITLE( multiple judges are receiving money for judicial jobs they have never been elected to) ,or they are not given the suppport and cash that the parties give to their toilet paper lawyers, who remain flush to appear on TV and print ads, and then THERE is the illegal concoction of the major parties, to cross endorse, which is giving these special judges jobs without elections by the people... and it goes on and on!

Then all the above remain for ....'14" long and some or many will end up as corrupt weilding.. without any scrutiny.

They then again get cross endorsed for a second or third set of another term of ...14 yrs...and then at 70 they are sent to the old farm of J...HO'ING. It will be assured of that.. bolsters judicial retirement plan.

Acting titles are lifelong, so judges are sitting in all courts making the money of higher courts...forever and without the reporting of same to the public.

I worked for OCA and know how impossible it is to get POLITICAL THUGS out of office and decent lawyers in.... as OCA blocks all employees..even the elected ones...from exhibiting civil, intelligent, independent, smart or attractive attributes!

OCA loves the crazy, fat losers they have in abundance..because those personalities make for very compliant ass wipes for OCA'S dirty work..and God knows they produce tons of dirty work for these people who need people...judicial workers and judges.

It is a nice idea though....if only it worked your way.

JUDICIAL REFORM is only going to happen if people enmasse, however they must do this, demand changing the terms to max 5 yrs, correcting the election process and demanding that all judges must be elected and re-elected with no political connections allowed or clandestine promotions..with complete public vetting.

This is the only way America and our Justice system will survive this current state of disgust by it's citizens.

Anonymous said...

ONE WITH LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF SHOOTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE WE COME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

If Gov. Cuomo permits the Judges to be grant a pay raise he is politically dog meat. I would never vote for him again!

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